NC Slides Deeper Into Stupid

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Post #1 by John Thomas8 » July 2nd, 2013, 8:42 pm

NC Senate tacks sweeping abortion legislation onto Sharia law bill (wral.com)

Until 5:30 p.m., the measure on the committee's calendar only reflected a bill that dealt with the family law provisions of the bill. That measure itself was controversial when it cleared the House, with opponents fearing it could interfere with recognition of U.S. law in foreign courts.

However, almost immediately, the committee took up an amendment to the bill that dealt with abortion.

"They're doing it quietly on 4th of July weekend because they've seen what's going on in Texas and know that women will turn out," Melissa Reed, VP of Public Policy for Planned Parenthood Health Systems said, referring to the protests surrounding a similar bill in Texas. She said Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice advocates had no idea the measure would be taken up today.

Lobbyists with nonprofits that have religious or moral purposes, including the Family Policy Council, Christian Action League and N.C. Values Coalition, were in the room for the committee debate and the subsequent Senate floor debate. Senators noted that those lobbyists were given notice of the bill and its contents ahead of time.

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Post #2 by 7rob7 » July 3rd, 2013, 7:40 am

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Post #3 by mariaporter » July 3rd, 2013, 8:15 am

It's important to pay close attention to the government around holidays. They LOVE to pull shit like this when they think no one's paying attention. Luckily, people are starting to get wise to it. There's a protest planned at the General ASSembly.
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Post #4 by The Oracle » July 3rd, 2013, 8:22 am

I had a few thoughts when I heard this...

First..... damn! Old men screwing around with abortion rights is wrong.

Second......... hmmm... Chapel Hill is going to wet their panties.

Third...... Why exactly should taxpayers foot the bill for abortions?

Forth.... Why don't all you goody two shoes reach into YOUR pockets and set up a fund for abortions. And leave the rest of us taxpayers alone that don't want any part of it. Sure; an aborted baby is cheaper on taxpayers than baby-mama on welfare and having 5 babies living on public assistance.

Fifth......... we should cut funding on baby-mama's too. This shit has gotten out of hand and it's wild to watch the old coots in the NC Senate cut this stuff.

Sixth...... it won't pass the other chamber... so it's all a bunch of bullshit most likely. A new story designed to create unrest. Get the fuck out in a garden and stop feeding and focusing on outrage. I don't really give a fuck. ;;)

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Post #5 by mariaporter » July 3rd, 2013, 9:51 am

I wish there were some kind of law in place that prevented unrelated legislation from being tacked onto bills at the last minute. It's shady as shit. Of course, such a law would never be passed because then it would prevent politicians from doing their job - being shady as shit.
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Post #6 by The Oracle » July 3rd, 2013, 10:20 am

They've always been shady. Cutting the budget actually goes against "shady". Real "shady" increases spending accross the board and all the cronies get more. It's easier to hide the graft.

These old coots are serious about cutting the budget and reducing taxes. You can't do that without pain. Everytime they cut; somebody is going to complain loudly. Somebody is going to lose service.

This is a clear case of an elected majority doing exactly what they said they would do if elected. You can call it stupid, sure. But there's a lot of people applauding loudly. Because the trajectory of spending is both unsupportable and unsustainable. State legislators are acting fiscally responsible.

I see it for what it is. Some people hate it; some love it. It not an outrage. It's Democracy at work. The Washington Post spells it out well enough:

No adult needs a primer on the politics of abortion. Part of what makes this issue so difficult is that both sides are, in principle, correct. Anti-abortion folks see it as a human rights issue. Given that human life is a continuum that begins at conception, there can be no compromise.

Pro-abortion rights folks see any limitation on abortion as an infringement on a woman’s right to control her own body. In their view, the baby isn’t a baby with human rights until it leaves the mother’s body, thereby becoming autonomous if lacking in self-sufficiency.

No wonder we can’t untwist this pretzel.

Ultimately, the question comes down to which awful option we can live with. Although a majority of Americans (61 percent) generally favor legal abortion in the first trimester, they become much more squeamish in the second (27 percent) and third (14 percent).

In other words, we seem to be relatively comfortable terminating a pregnancy before the fetus looks much like a baby. At 20 weeks, the halfway point, the fetus looks very much like a baby.

The abortion conundrum is further complicated by the dishonesty of our terminology. Simplistic phrases such as “pro-life” and “pro-choice” distort the complexity of how most people feel. It is also deceptive to refer to abortion as only a “women’s health issue” or to people who push for abortion limits as waging a “war on women.”


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Post #7 by John Thomas8 » July 3rd, 2013, 11:21 am

These old coots are serious about cutting the budget [s]and reducing taxes[/s] transfering state funds to their friends and families


Fixed that for you.

They're doing slimey crap like private school vouchers, transferring state money to 'pub approved private entities and other such crap while shifting taxes from those who can pay directly on to those who can't afford it.

It really is quite disgusting.

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Post #8 by John Thomas8 » July 3rd, 2013, 11:23 am

It is also deceptive to refer to abortion as only a “women’s health issue” or to people who push for abortion limits as waging a “war on women.”


No, it is not deceptive. It is only a women's health issue and those who are butting into that private patient-doctor transaction ARE waging war on women.

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Post #9 by 7rob7 » July 3rd, 2013, 1:27 pm

Third...... Why exactly should taxpayers foot the bill for abortions?

We don't.
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Post #10 by 7rob7 » July 3rd, 2013, 1:28 pm

John Thomas8 wrote:No, it is not deceptive. It is only a women's health issue and those who are butting into that private patient-doctor transaction ARE waging war on women.

Absolutely true.
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Post #11 by 7rob7 » July 3rd, 2013, 1:30 pm

The Oracle wrote:This is a clear case of an elected majority doing exactly what they said they would do if elected. You can call it stupid, sure. But there's a lot of people applauding loudly. Because the trajectory of spending is both unsupportable and unsustainable. State legislators are acting fiscally responsible.

Absolutely bullshit.
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Post #12 by The Oracle » July 3rd, 2013, 2:25 pm

John Thomas8 wrote:
These old coots are serious about cutting the budget [s]and reducing taxes[/s] transfering state funds to their friends and families


Fixed that for you.

They're doing slimey crap like private school vouchers,

It really is quite disgusting.


Yes; god forbid the public would want something better than a public education.

transferring state money to 'pub approved private entities


agree

and other such crap while shifting taxes from those who can pay directly on to those who can't afford it.


You'd have to be more specific. I agree that cutting the business tax to 0 is a bad idea. However a flat tax make sense. Especially when you eliminate the deductions and loopholes many take from the higher salary level.

I still insist that the elected representatives doing this were elected on this platform. Regardless of you liking it or not.

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Post #13 by 7rob7 » July 3rd, 2013, 2:30 pm

I don't recall anyone running on a promise to take away a woman's right to choose.

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Post #14 by 7rob7 » July 3rd, 2013, 2:32 pm

[center]Tighter abortion restrictions clear Senate[/center]
With the gallery packed by abortion rights supporters and a protest waged outside the Legislative Building, the state Senate on Wednesday gave its blessing to a series of abortion restrictions.

The bill, which originally prohibited the recognition of foreign law, such as Islamic Sharia law, in family courts, was overhauled Tuesday with little public notice and converted into an omnibus bill titled the Family, Faith and Freedom Protection Act by adding the contents of various anti-abortion legislation pending in the General Assembly.

Senators voted 29-12 to approve House Bill 695, which now returns to the House for a final vote on the changes.

Shouts of "shame, shame, shame" rained down on the Senate after the vote. Lt. Gov. Dan Forest, who oversees the Senate, ordered police to clear people from the gallery before senators adjourned.

Suzanne Buckley, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice North Carolina, called the Senate action "a surreptitious attack on the rights of North Carolina women."

“This package of anti-women bills – so unpopular they needed to be hidden from the public to have a chance at becoming law – could close all but one clinic in the state," Buckley said in a statement. "We’re outraged that this dangerous package of bills was kept from public scrutiny. We will continue to sound the alarm and fight this bill in the House."

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Post #15 by John Thomas8 » July 3rd, 2013, 6:29 pm

I still insist that the elected representatives doing this were elected on this platform. Regardless of you liking it or not.


And I will point out that more votes were cast for democrat candidates in this state than were cast for republican, but the 2010 redistricting map so altered the voting landscape that getting outvoted didn't matter.

Like I said up thread, it is quite disgusting.

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Post #16 by clando » July 10th, 2013, 8:41 am

Even the NY Times Editorial Board has noticed the slide into stupidity...

NY Times wrote:The Decline of North Carolina

Every Monday since April, thousands of North Carolina residents have gathered at the State Capitol to protest the grotesque damage that a new Republican majority has been doing to a tradition of caring for the least fortunate. Nearly 700 people have been arrested in the “Moral Monday” demonstrations, as they are known. But the bad news keeps on coming from the Legislature, and pretty soon a single day of the week may not be enough to contain the outrage.

In January, after the election of Pat McCrory as governor, Republicans took control of both the executive and legislative branches for the first time since Reconstruction. Since then, state government has become a demolition derby, tearing down years of progress in public education, tax policy, racial equality in the courtroom and access to the ballot.

North Carolina was once considered a beacon of farsightedness in the South, an exception in a region of poor education, intolerance and tightfistedness. In a few short months, Republicans have begun to dismantle a reputation that took years to build.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/opinion/the-decline-of-north-carolina.html?hp&_r=0

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Post #17 by The Oracle » July 10th, 2013, 10:12 am

North Carolina was once considered a beacon of farsightedness in the South, an exception in a region of poor education, intolerance and tightfistedness.


(I did not vote conservative, I voted librul'. :!: BUT... I can speak for the fiscal conservative )

Considering northerners are pouring into the state to live and many to go to the UNC system; how do you rectify the statement on "tightfistedness, or "poor education"? The newly arrived immigrants are fleeing exorbitance. They can't afford to pay the incredibly high taxes up north. Taxes that go in many ways to failed programs that didn't work, graft, and excess. I'd suggest that North Carolina's tightfistedness might be a beacon of farsightedness for the future. A true model of fiscal sanity. Where the taxpayer finally says no.

What you all are calling stupid is just the opposite. ;) It's a call from the workers of North Carolina to not be like Detroit, Chicago, or other broken cities or States.

A O Where'd you go Ohio.


I do believe the legislature has way over-reached on the abortion issue. I still believe the Governor will not sign the bill into law. If it even gets that far. So cry about it but it's not going to happen.

Throwing money at social problems and hoping it works is so 70's. :-* As we can clearly see :eek: ; throwing money at misguided crack mommies, welfare dads, unmarried baby machines, and lazy white trash just doesn't work. . Our social structure is just as fucked up now as it was 20 years ago. Worse even.

:-#

:-*

These cuts are just a fraction of the true social welfare money out there. Some belt tightening is good. Stop fleecing the taxpayer for programs that don't work. [-X

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Post #18 by mariaporter » July 10th, 2013, 2:28 pm

I was wondering why #MotorcycleVagina was trending on Twitter:

In another surprise move surrounding controversial abortion legislation in the state General Assembly this week, House members have tacked on revised abortion restrictions to a motorcycle safety bill without public notice.

The committee reportedly gutted the unrelated bill, SB 353 — formerly dealing with motorcycle safety — and inserted provisions from HB 695 into it.


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Post #19 by The Oracle » July 10th, 2013, 3:06 pm

Just In: The state Senate has approved a bill that would require people applying for public assistance to pass a drug test. The measure returns to the House for a final vote.


Is that stupid or what! ;)

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Post #20 by 7rob7 » July 10th, 2013, 4:17 pm

Yes: yes, it is.
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