Replacement Referees

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Replacement Referees

Post #1 by clando » September 25th, 2012, 10:03 am

Well all the greatest fears regarding replacement referees were exposed this weekend in two the prime time games: Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football. There was absolutely no player control, with ridiculous amounts of pushing shoving and even all out brawls that didn't result in flags. I don't even need to get into the specifics of the bad calls, but here are some interesting tidbits resulting from this poor display.

Here’s What Baltimore’s Minute-Long “Bullshit” Chant Sounded Like Inside The Stadium

http://deadspin.com/5945755/heres-what-baltimores-minute%20long-bullshit-chant-sounded-like-inside-the-stadium
Being Baltimore I think it would have been better if they did it in a Clay Davis (The Wire) "Bull shiiiiiiiit" chant.

As to whether these referees could be bought off:

espn wrote:Disputed MNF call shifted $150M-$250M in bets

Monday night's controversial touchdown call that gave the Seattle Seahawks a 14-12 victory over the Green Bay Packers had an immediate impact for gamblers.

If the Hail Mary pass by Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson would have been ruled an interception by Packers safety M.D. Jennings, Green Bay -- 3½ point favorites -- would have won by five, covering the spread.

Perry said that 70 to 80 percent of the money on his site was put on the Packers, which is in line with the percentage bet in Vegas. At Mandalay Bay, the sportsbook took in about $500,000 in total bets, with about 85 percent of the money on the Packers.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8422934/seattle-seahawks-vs-green-bay-packers-disputed-mnf-call-shifted-150-250m-bets
That's a lot of money changing hands. I honestly don't think this occurred in this game, but it just shows the potential. These guys were not vetted thoroughly and don't have years of experience in which the NFL to continually vet them.

I give props to the best tweet I saw after all this

Bubba Watson on Twitte wrote:All @nfl fans watch the Ryder Cup this week, we got no refs. #USA

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Post #2 by John Thomas8 » September 25th, 2012, 10:05 am

40,000+ on the Sports Nation poll at ESPN and 69% said they'll be less likely to watch games this coming Sunday.

And the bad officiating is absolute trashing the pick 'ems.

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Re: Replacement Referees

Post #3 by clando » September 25th, 2012, 10:20 am

Yes, I'm QUITE aware of the impact its having on my pick'ems. Thanks for reminding me!!!!!

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Post #4 by John Thomas8 » September 25th, 2012, 10:30 am

Hai, it's whacking EVERYBODY. Flamingo13 is SECOND all time over 6 years and went 2-14. That's not bad picking, there's another factor involved.

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Post #5 by The Oracle » September 25th, 2012, 10:43 am

If not for fantasy football; it would't matter that much. Refs make bad calls all the time. Two types of fans are unhappy. Those who had fantasy players who lost out and Green Bay fans in general. I watched 4 games and the refs were superb this past week 3. Stats demonstrate that the number and types of calls are on par with last season's ref calls.

What is reviewable and what is not reviewable..... needs to be reviewed.

Last nights end zone game winner not reviewable?!? WTF! You've got to be joking. The mistake of the ref was calling a TD? That's not a mistake. It's a call. The mistake made was the inability to review it. It's possible a real ref would have not made the TD call. Or would he? Considering he was looking and made the call. You can surmise he simply had a bad angle on the arm positions? The "real" refs could have made that call too.

I've got it on tape. Refs make mistakes. The stats indicate these refs are doing as well as the "real" refs. Real refs flub calls too.

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Post #6 by clando » September 25th, 2012, 11:46 am

Oh, the regular refs could have definitely blown this call. Here is a great clip of two referees signaling opposite directions on a fumble recovery, TWICE. [bbvideo=425,350]http://youtu.be/Sg6oDimEWAg[/bbvideo]

I've also been to plenty of Raven's games where the fans chanted "Bullshit" that the real refs were officiating; Sunday night was not the first time that's happened!

The problem is lack of credibility and confidence. They have made sooooo many boneheaded mistakes already that it's impossible to have any confidence in the referees. Here is an article from last week regarding this EXACT same officiating crew that did the game last night:

Let's All Be Fair About Insulting These Terrible Referees

The Redskins-Rams game was obviously decided by a correct personal foul call, but that came after two hours of fighting that was only sporadically interrupted by football acts common to the game. On that one notable goal line stand-alone, Steven Jackson was wrongly charged with a fumble, the Rams were wrongly forced to use a challenge to have the fumble overturned (instead of the turnover being automatically reviewed, as per the new rule this season), and then Jackson was marked short of the goal line on a play in which he clearly scored. To make one of those mistakes is human. To make all three in the course of two plays is pretty bad. To have that occur amid seemingly constant fighting and seemingly arbitrary rulings for personal fouls and unnecessary roughness was even worse. And these aren't exactly obscure rules that the referees are failing to notice, either.
So this is two weeks of ineptitude on their part. How are you supposed to have confidence in ANY call they make at this point, even if it is possibly the right call. That is the difference between the replacement refs and these guys. Yes, the regular refs make mistakes, but they know how to manage a game, and there is confidence that they will make the right call more times then they won't.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8389798/the-cardinals-forgot-lose-rest-notable-news-week-2-nfl

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Post #7 by The Oracle » September 25th, 2012, 6:50 pm

just don't touch my balls

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Post #8 by John Thomas8 » September 25th, 2012, 9:51 pm

I promise not to.

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Post #9 by The Oracle » October 22nd, 2012, 9:41 am

At least the replacement referees didn't throw games.

Yesterday's 3 game-changing calls were outrageous. The Jet's got fucked. And the Buccaneers....worse.

But the receiver had been pushed out of the back of the end zone before coming back into the field of play. So, what appeared to be a possible tying catch was nullified for illegal touching.


Not to be outdone...or done in were the Panthers....

The Carolina Panthers lost their fourth straight game Sunday afternoon to the Dallas Cowboys due to two primary factors – the inability of their offense to score more than 14 points and some bad calls late that hurt their comeback chances. Here's my column about the game, focusing mainly on Cam Newton's interesting comments postgame and the Panthers' offensive inefficiency.

Dallas won, 19-14, on a sunny afternoon in Charlotte. The Cowboys (3-3) beat the Panthers (1-5) by overcoming Carolina’s late 14-13 lead and also getting the benefit of three questionable calls in the final three minutes of play – all three of which I thought should have gone in the Panthers’ favor.

Many fans will focus specifically on the calls – especially the “should-have-been-pass-interference” call on Louis Murphy when Cam Newton was throwing a fourth-down pass with just over two minutes remaining and the Panthers down, 16-14.

Before that, Dallas got the benefit of a very questionable timeout, managing to stop the clock on the same fourth-down situation before 1) Carolina got the play off and made the necessary yardage and 2) Dallas was flagged for having too many men on the field. Then there was a very questionable horse-collar tackle on Panther linebacker James Anderson that extended the Cowboys’ last drive.

Read more here: http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2012 ... rylink=cpy

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Post #10 by clando » October 22nd, 2012, 10:01 am

With regard to the Bucs ending, they had an article explaining the ruling on USAToday.

USAToday wrote:It took an explanation on Twitter from Fox officiating analyst Mike Periera to clear it up:

"In TB not illegal contact because the QB was out of the pocket and you can't come back in and be the first to touch," Periera wrote.

In other words, White pushed Williams legally. Because Josh Freeman was out of the pocket and the pass had yet to be thrown, White was allowed to shove Williams. There was no penalty on the play which means Williams can't come back onto the field of play and be the first to touch a ball. It didn't matter how Williams had gotten out of bounds, only that he was.

Okay; that's great. Good for the refs for getting it right (imagine the replacements trying to make this call) and good for White for taking advantage of the rule, whether intentionally or not.

All that being said, this call stinks. The proper rule may have been applied, but the proper rule is counterintuitive and goes against the most basic understanding of the sport.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/10/21/mike-williams-nullified-touchdown-buccaneers-saints/1647873/
So it was actually the right call by the rules, but it still stinks as explained above.

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Post #11 by The Oracle » October 22nd, 2012, 12:27 pm

That explanation would infer that the refree in the endzone was watching both the shove and the QB throwing at the same time. The guy was shoved out of bounds and only took another two or three steps until he caught the ball.

About 1 second's worth.

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Post #12 by clando » October 22nd, 2012, 3:21 pm

The Oracle wrote:That explanation would infer that the referee in the end zone was watching both the shove and the QB throwing at the same time. The guy was shoved out of bounds and only took another two or three steps until he caught the ball.

About 1 second's worth. [-X
Come on, there is video of the play at the USAToday link I provided earlier they even pause the reply when he is out of bounds. http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/10/21/mike-williams-nullified-touchdown-buccaneers-saints/1647873/

About a seconds worth? It was almost four seconds between the point that Freeman spun out and rolled to his left and Williams catching the ball. It wasn't like Williams just stepped out of bounds either, his entire body was COMPLETELY out of bounds (his outside foot probably being 4-5 ft out of bounds). With the back of the endzone painted white it was blatantly obvious he was well out of bounds.

I said I didn't like the rule, but let's not pretend it wasn't the right call or even a hard call for the referees to make.

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Re: Replacement Referees

Post #13 by The Oracle » October 31st, 2012, 10:40 am

So how is it you can run 3 plays in the last 10 seconds of a game?

Answer: The local team provides the timekeeper for all NFL games.

:?

The Giants coach was once again wondering aloud – this time with a little more of an accusatory tone – how the Cowboys managed to squeeze three offensive plays into the final 10 seconds of play in Sunday’s game at Cowboys Stadium.

“As I mentioned [Sunday], the longest 10 seconds I’ve ever been around,” Coughlin said Monday in a conference call. “Three plays in 10 seconds, two of which went to the end zone, seems a little much to me. We’ll have to see if we can get some kind of response from the league on that.”



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